ISO/TS 16949 Clause 8.2.4.1, Product Testing

Automotive inspection, TS 16949, IATF 16949

Q: Can you please clarify a requirement in clause 8.2.4.1 in ISO/TS 16949 Quality management systems—Particular requirements for the application of ISO 9001:2008 for automotive production and relevant service part organizations. The requirement is as follows: “A layout inspection and a functional verification to applicable customer engineering material and performance standards shall be performed for each product as specified in the control plans.”

We have a third-party auditor claiming that “product” means every part number.  Our belief is that this is every product family, not every part number.   As a company trying to stay in business, testing every part number is not feasible or cost efficient.

A: This is a controversial area as all production parts that conform to TS 16949 must be PPAPed which is, in effect, an inspection of each part that is produced. If parts produced have different part numbers depending on whom they are supplied to, then one PPAP would be OK. Also, it would be OK if the supplier can get a variance from its customers to the requirement “A layout inspection and a functional verification to applicable customer engineering material and performance standards shall be performed for ‘each product’ as specified in the control plans.” The supplier may want to seek a sanctioned interpretation by the International Automotive Oversight Bureau.

Ron Berglund
Voting member of the U.S. TAG to ISO/TC 176
ASQ Fellow
Canton, MI

Value of CQA Certification in Aerospace Auditing

 

Q: What groups recognize the ASQ Certified Quality Auditor (CQA) Certification? The CQA is not enough to conduct an  internal audit to AS9100:2009 Revision C Quality management systems—Requirements for aviation, space and defense organizations, and I am not trained in AS9100C.

Why become a Certified Quality Auditor (CQA)?

A: Thank you for contacting ASQ Ask the Experts. The ASQ CQA is recognized by companies, industries and organizations worldwide as evidence of an individual that has demonstrated their ability to meet established criteria for quality management system auditing.

AS9100C contains requirements that are specific to the aerospace industry and  exceed the ASQ CQA requirements.

Having an ASQ CQA would be a good start toward obtaining an AS9100C auditor certification.  However, keep in mind that although first party internal auditors should be trained as auditors, rarely would they be required to be certified for the purpose of conducting internal (first party) audits.  I hope this helps.

Bill Aston
ASQ Senior Member
Managing Director of Aston Technical Consulting Services
Kingwood, TX
www.astontechconsult.com